So remember, while McCain wants to change DC, Obama wants to change America.
Sorry, folks, can't help it. And I don't even consider myself a conservative. It's a meaningless term, like liberal: meaningless in that it deceives. And in most applications, actually wrong. Gun control and socialized medicine are "liberal"? No, they are not. Gay, gun and ganja rights are "conservative"? Well, no, but it is my "conservative" impulse that leads me to support them.
Anyway: This leads to this -- just go to the latter and give yourself ten minutes to read it. Disagree, but you'll get a hint as to where some of us are coming from. Meanwhile, I'm not losing sleep because I'm okay with Obama -- I think if you didn't get caught up in the initial excitement, if you didn't fall in love with the candidate by now, then you never will -- I'm not losing sleep because I have faith in our legislative system, quite apart from the people in it, and 2010, 2012, 2014 remain opportunities to make corrections no matter what. Maybe that's what makes me a "conservative".
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sorry, not a wal mart shopper. target is as low as i'll go, and even target is 2 hours away from me.
what a time to be 50, right? lucky us-and with kids to get through school, no less. good times. :)
...she said, as she commented on the wrong poast.
Obama a socialist? Why, because he wants to boost the middle class, and narrow the gap between the haves and have nots?
Both of these blogs are alarmist at best. Obama has from the beginning talked about improving the lot of, some would say saving from the brink of extinction, the middle class, which was our great economic engine, so we can compete in the global economy.
How is that socialist? Not only that, but I am willing to bet that Obama is also smart enough to see that it wouldn't really work in our country because of our traditions, and our constitution.
it does seem strange that anytime a politician talks about helping the middle and lower class, it's considered socialist. the more i learn of capitalism, the less i see 'socialism' as a bad thing. why is it bad to want ALL citizens to thrive??
maybe that's what makes me a 'liberal' :)
I don't think that's it at all. Per the links, the socialist label comes from the manner of his political upbringing, all that new New Deal talk, merged with there being no substantial record to compare it against.
Of course, for ALL citizens to thrive, we need less socialism, not more, and GWBush betrayed the principles of freedom on an historic scale. Now with Obama and the Dems obscuring the role they played in the current crisis, mixed with Bush's horrendous mismanagement, the politicians are well lined up to make things a lot worse.
Obama has from the beginning talked about improving the lot of ... the middle class
Talk is cheap. I also noted how he's scrambling to look like the bigger tax-cutter. Hilarious, all things considered. I just can't trust that game.
Not that McC/P are noticeably better. Maybe I'll vote for Donald Duck.
Unrestrained capitalism is scary, too. So now the pendulum swings to more gov't involvement. It'll swing back. Fuck principle if it's going to give us a repeat of the 1930s. I'd rather the gov't own the banks. I guess you could vote for Barr!
Well he's not scrambling, he IS the bigger tax-cutter for the middle class, which is where it will matter. He's been saying it the exact same way for months on end. If you'd look at the non-partisan fact checking organizations, you'd see that verified. Cutting taxes for the rich, where McCain's emphasis clearly falls, hasn't helped anything at all.
Remember also that for the first two years of Obama's senate term, th erepublicans had a solid majority and wouldn't let any democratic legislation through. Also, how many freshman senators have that much in their record after four years? Given that, look at Obama's record and stop putting stock in those who would have it otherwise and tell you that he has no substance, unless you just don't want to find out anything. Of course, you can look at anything and do it down if you want.
If talk is cheap for one, it's cheap for everyone. We have nothing but talk to go on here if that's your measure.
Explain what role the Democrats played in developing the current crisis. How are they responsible for any of it?
"The only way to explain this disinterest in Obama's past and its relationship to his present is that Americans no longer consider the label "socialist" to be a pejorative. To them, it's just another content-neutral political ideology. In our non-judgmental age, it falls into the same category as Liberal vs. Conservative, or Left vs. Right. To most people, it just means Obama is a more liberal Liberal, or a leftier Lefty, and they already knew that. "
Sorry, I had to stop reading that second one when the Nazis came in. I mean, yeesh.
It COULD be that the tag isn't raising concern because people have come to see all these tags from the Republicans as being a bit hyperbolic. That COULD be because there's a new one every few weeks.
As for the idea that the "state has no conscience" - how much conscience does a corporation have? No more than a state, and the leaders of the state, in America, have term limits and have to be re-elected anyway. Unless you want to try and tell me that Obama will end free elections, which I know you too well to expect, then this seems quite hyperbolic, actually.
The right has played the "watch out for the other guy, he's not a real American" card too many times, even not considering the - shall we say, challenges - that the party has inflicted upon itself recently in the form of policy failures and men's room peccadilloes. Consider those on top of the consistent wolf-crying, and they no longer seem to be all that reliable or sincere in their shot-calling, you know?
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